Re: HUMANBEINGS

Christophe Barbey (cbarbey3@law.ua.edu)
Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:07:13 CST

> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT)
> To: gathering@cygnus.com
> From: BJ <jpb@efn.org>
> Subject: Re: HUMANBEINGS
> Cc: <gathering@cygnus.com>
> Reply-to: gathering@cygnus.com

I wish you ahd said that earlyer, may be I woudlv' carried on...
Too late, but keep it up !
Love you all in rainbow (and gender).
Kriss
>
> Dear Legeia.
> Thanks for your kind and insightful response. I guess I was being a bit of
> a pud.
>
> I agree there is lots of work needed on the gender issue in some ways. I was
> just being pissy because it seems whether I'm at a gathering, watching a
> discussion on TV, reading the newsgroup, or ? _. gender debates seem to
> become the general topic of discussion more than anything else (guess that's
> proof there IS continuing need for this debate right?)
>
> It just gets to me sometimes when I see the subject dominate "rainbow"
> discussions, when we neglect so many other things regarding our gatherings
> and needs.
>
> But your right, the gender issue is important to many, and as you say, some
> folks ARE getting something from it.
>
> After some reflection, I guess I just felt like writing something and guess
> what the topic of the day (month? Year? :) has been? Not wanting to get
> into that subject myself, I choose a different angle to the subject.
>
> My real frustration (or is that crustation?) was with not seeing our family
> working enough on our family needs/problems. And the lack of this focus on
> AGR in particular just drove that feeling even farther.
> But in all honesty, it's not an easy subject to deal with (gathering
> needs/problems), even harder than the gender issue :)
>
> One of my basic beliefs (I think) is one shouldn't expect others to get
> involved with something they themselves aren't willing to get involved with.
> As much as I would like to see more family involvement regarding our
> gatherings, I find it hard for myself to devote such time and commitment to
> it more than brief moments throughout the year. So how fair is it to
> complain about others not doing so?
>
> This is the crux (crust?) of my problem I think.
>
> YOU SAID:
> >Your post is a good one in pointing toward the future. Methinks we just
> >need to get some of the garbage out of the way first. Peace and Love.
> >
> >Legeia
>
> Though I see some truth in that, I have to basically disagree. If we waited
> till we "get some of the garbage out of the way first", we'll be waiting an
> eternity. (our landfills are overflowing, the garbage trucks pick up more
> each week and we're still making more and more garbage as we wait for things
> to get better)
>
> Lets face it, it "IS" easier and takes less of ones personal time to discuss
> gender issues (or Cassini or logging or whatever) than it does getting
> involved with really dealing with "rainbow" issues. That's not meant to put
> these things down or to seem "rainbow" issue's have more importance, it's
> just that one can pop in and out of such discussions without making any long
> term commitment of personal time (and who has enough of that?)
>
> That makes these issues easier to get into than rainbow issues.
> Note: I'm assuming most folks in these threads aren't committing a lot of
> their personal time to these issues. Though there is always some exceptions,
> Laurie Starfire & Thomas to name a few (oh ya and RODGER too if we include
> getting laid :)
>
> Trying to take on some aspect of the gathering and trying to really do
> something about it takes a LOT of personal time and commitment. You can't
> just start something then choose to slack off when it gets to be to much
> personal commitment (shouldn't say "can't", happens all the time :)
>
> Like Sailor said, start something, lead on_.. Well I guess "I'm" not willing
> to make that commitment right now either (so much to do, so many desires, so
> little time). So saying what I did is a little hypocritical to my own ears
> in some ways.
>
> Excuse my barking (my dog barks at every little sound she hears too, wonder
> where she got THAT from?).
>
> The number of folks on AGR compared to how many folks in our family, is a
> very very small amount (get out your microscope for comparison), so
> expecting a lot of serious discussion/commitment to gathering needs is
> probably a little unrealistic.
>
> So keep up all the threads, there is lots to learn on ALL fronts (though I
> still think we focus on gender issues more than we should :)
>
> All is fine_ it was just a little wine _ won't you come over to dine?
>
> Thanks again for your comments Legeia.
> Sometimes you got to talk out loud to see what's really in your head.
>
> Never knowing just when to apologize, criticize or mezmorize ___.. BJ
>
>
> P.S. - But hey! the earlier comment I made about seeing more "humor" in
> one's life _. Now THAT I'm serious about.
>
>
>

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