Re: MEDICINE THREAD

Madelyn Powell (POWELLM@gacsrv.gactr.uga.edu)
Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:16:26 EST5EDT

hey now!
Each of us is Free to find our own way on the healing trail... I
think it is obvious that neither path can be oblivious to or polarized
from the other much longer...
I believe that we are responsible for our own health, and that when
we use the services of a surgeon (as I did to remove a fibroid from
my colon, cysts from my ovaries, a lump from my breast, and to
restore the use of my arms) we are consumers responsible for
expecting healing hands on us, and should shop around for those
doctors that will not laugh at us when we tell them the vitamins we
take, the herbs we use, or the meditation we rely on to maintain some
vestige or approximation of sanity in todays stress filled world. I
agree that women can deliver their babies, (Ina Mae delivered my two
step-kids, and was still as strong as I remember her from the late
70's and early 80's when she came to Athens and spoke at our Human
Rights Festival this year... I followed the midwives path until I
realized it was not right for me)... I know that we are each shaped
by our experiences, and that it is possible to focus on the weakness
of any tradition rather than it's strengths, the differences rather
than the commonalities... and for that reason, I work with straight
m.d.'s to turn them onto what's up, with diet, and wholistic
treatments. If they ain't into it, I don't go to them.
I agree that it is a shame that many herbalists expect us to use
herbs as symptomatic treatments rather make use of the actually
more realistic preventative value of herbs over the long haul, to
build a better body, and address imbalances within... If herbalists
act like western physicians, they're just substituting substances for
chemicals... most of which were derived from those herbs anyway...
It's a fine line, a matter of balance...
and each individual's choice...
because we are all free to choose.
Please, let's not need to be right or wrong about this, let's look
for and make use of the best in any and all of it... and be
responsible for ourselves.
loving you,
lot's,
maddy clare

>
> Hi Everybody....
>
> I was raised in a home that believed in the AMA. Consequently I was
> in and out of hospitals from birth, my six brothers and sisters all had
> different things wrong with them like asthma, etc. At 13 years old I had
> had seven major operations. At 27 I had chronic symptoms for four
> different trips the AMA said were not curable, but were very willing to
> treat me for the price. Also, through all of this they insisted that they
> were the final judge and jury of what was wrong with MY body.
>
> At 28 it dawned on me that if I wanted a healthy strong body I was going
> to need to take responsibility for doing that and I started studying
> Macrobiotics. Within two weeks all my symptoms disappeared and I
> didn't have but very mild symptoms from colds or flu for the next ten
> years, five of which was spent in NYC. I had a Dingo, wild dog of
> Australia, who had distemper so bad the Vets had given up on him. I
> used macrobiotics and he lived to be the only true macrobiotic I ever
> knew. He lived on brown rice porage only, for five years, He was VERY
> healthy, beautiful and interestingly intelligent. The story of CuCo is
> interesting all by itself.
>
> The next five years I spent in hippy communes, then five in Arizona near
> the Hopi, who traditionally are naturally macrobiotic.
>
> I met a girl who wanted to live that way and we got married and started
> having kids in Jerome, AZ. at 6000 feet. I delivered all our children at
> home in a house that was not very airtight and cold in the winter. My
> oldest daughter is now 23 and the number of times my kids have been
> to doctors can be counted on my hands and that was for accidents.
> There is no doubt in my mind that the AMA's emergency medical is the
> best there is, but in preventive medicine they are in the dark ages and
> their chemicals area disaster for mankind.
>
> Later, as my wife gave in, more and more to her desires, less care was
> given to what the kids ate. So I needed to learn symptomatic medicine,
> much to my chagrin, to treat the symptoms that now were popping up.
>
> Dealing with symptoms in childrens diseases can be quite terrifying
> and it is easy to surrender and give the responsibility for their health
> to someone else. Imagine waking up in the middle of the night to hear
> your three year old hacking and hacking, almost unable to breath from
> croup. It's very terrifying,
>
> Macrobiotics has some treatment for symptoms, but not if your really
> eating badly. I started learning herbialism through Jethro Kloss,
> I picked him because he had the most experience, had treated the
> most patients. I was doing this for about ten people so I didn't learn
> very much, but I was able to keep those few well and comfortable. You
> need lots of patients and different symptoms to really learn herbs or
> else you're stuck doing what someone tells suggests. After my first
> child got croup, with Kloss' help I found some herbs that really worked
> and I never had that problem again. I can give my kids herbs that can
> help the body knock out strept throat in ten minutes.
>
> However, if someone is so self indulgent where they can't control what
> they put into their mouths, overeat and use junk food to the point there is
> more waste in the body than the body itself, then they should go to the
> AMA, they are perfect for each other. Herbs won't help much if a person
> won't pay attention to what and how they are putting into their bodys. It
> will will be to no advantage to take herbs for a symptom if one insists
> on continuing to eat junk foods. Eating less and very carefully is the
> secret to a long happy life. If one insists on going against natural laws,
>
> there is no cure for arrogance.
>
>
> Peace and Love FourCorners+Tribe.Rainbow ironwood / running bear
>
>
> Letting Go Through Music impromptu drums song dance
>
>
>
> =Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
> =From: Carla Newbre <c_newbre@efn.org>
> =
> =Heh, heh, Carla is gone for a bit. I, Snarla, have this to say about the
> =bigots who maintain that AMA medicine kills and that the worst thing you
> =could ever do to yourself is go to a regular doctor.
> =
> =I know a brother who lost a testicle because some herbalists felt he
> =should drink tea for his groin pain.
> =
> =I know of more than one sister who would have died if they had not had a
> =hyterectomy.
> =
> =People who need insulin to control their diabetes would slowly go blind,
> =have their kidneys shut down, lose their limbs if they did not use
> =allopathic medicine.
> =
> =It is not M.D.s who kill, it is ignorance and bigotry. People still have
> c=hoices, Mark, and rather than spreading hysteria and mistrust, why not
> ==focus on the positive aspects of both disciplines?
> =
> =People need to educate themselves on when any particular type of healing
> =is appropriate, not just throw the baby out with the bath water.
> =
> =Case in point: years ago, I was told by a so-called practitioner from
> =CALM that I could keep my teeth and gums in good shape by eating raw
> =foods. So I tried that, didn't go to the dentist, ate mostly veggie.
> T=oday I am battling gum disease, have lost one tooth to it, and am
> =fighting to keep the others. Seems to me, his info was incorrect and
> =dangerous. Brush and floss your teeth, see the dentist. Keep your teeth.
> =
> =I still use alternative medicine for lots of things. But I have learned
> =that putting off seeing a doctor just makes a lot of things worse.
> =
> =Above all, folks, please do not diagose and treat yourselves, unless you
> =really know what you have and know what you are doing. Herbal medicine
> =can kill, too. Hippies have gone through so many nutritional and healing
> =fads: macrobiotics (babies and kids died in the early days, before the
> =proponents of the system realized that macrobiotic means more than
> =eating beans and nothing else); the sprout craze
> =(don't give your baby breast milk, just feed him wheat grass juice); daily
> =ingestion of things such as comfrey, pennyroyal, etc., which can be toxic
> =in large amounts.
> =
> =Now the next generation is taking as gospel really bad advice given by
> =people like Victorus Kulvinskas, Jethro Kloss, and others.
> =
> =Please, please, educate yourselves before making serious explorations into
> =alternative medicince or nutrition. Do not use just one source to base
> =your explorations on. What one book written twenty years ago will
> =advocate may be completely contradicted by another one done more recently.
>
> =
> =Pregnant and nursing mothers should be especially careful, as should be
> p=eople with weakened immune systems, auto-immune diseases, and mystery
> =illnesses.
> =
> =As far as I am concerned, there is nothing worse than a politically
> =correct bigot. And you know what, you never see it more obviously than
> =you do in regard to issues around healing. An ethical practictioner will
> =NEVER say their methods are the only good or right ones. And an ethical
> =practitioner will never be threatened by you going to someone else to get
> =a second opinion, even if that practitioner is of a totally different
> =discipline.
> =
> =Growl,
> =Snarla
> =
> = On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Maryann Miller wrote:
> =
> ==> G
> => > My primary had me rx'ed on Augmentin 500 mg. (antibiotic) then
> referred
> => > me after 3 days to the MD. otolaryangologist E)ar N)ose T)hroat.
> => > Who rx'ed me Meclizine (anti-vert).
> => >
> => > This med masks dizziness about 60%. I have been using several of the
> => > other suggested remedies too. I'll compile the alt. therapies later
> and
> =>
> => Glenn, I hope you will not take offence at what follows. I'm not sure
> => this is the proper place for me to say things like this, but I offer
> => this in the sincere hope that it will in some way help. It will be
> => probably be concidered blunt, but here goes.
> =>
> => I think that it fairly well established, if you are open to the
> => evidence, that, in a nutshell, doctors kill. Most are completely
> => ignorant of what it takes to become well. The lifespan of an M.D. is 58
> => years. "Physician heal thyself". I recently did a iridology analysis on
> => a guy who's body was desparately trying to dispell some toxic
> => accumulations that were budening his system, thru several episodes of
> => sore throats/tonsilitis. Each time this happened his doctor suppressed
> => this action thru the use of antibiotics. This happened five times. The
> => last time he had a reaction to the antibiotics and his kidneys failed.
> => He spent several years on dialysis, and recently underwent a transplant.
> => He is in the process of fighting organ rejection. This is called
> => Iatrogenic disease. "Illness due to the treatment of other illness".
> =>
> => There are many examples these days of MD's who are practicing the "new
> => medicine". These people are sythesising the best of conventional and
> => holistic medicine. But it is like art, there are many artists, but if
> => your having the portrait of a lifetime, you really want a good one. I
> => implore anyone out there who is having serious difficulties with their
> => health, to do the research to locate themselves a serious medical
> => artist. They are simply functioning from a higher place. you owe it to
> => yourself.Even if you have to travel to see them. Do not just sacrifice
> => yourself at the altar of the medical mafia.
> =>
> => Some resourses if you wish, are... the alternative yellow pages
> => http//:www.alternativemedicine.com
> =>
> => These are the tel #'s of physicians that deserve respect, they will
> => propably be able to reffer you to someone closer to you.
> =>
> => Bruce Shelton
> => 6029781722
> => American metaboloc institute
> => 18003881083
> => Jonathon Wright/ tahoma clinic in tacoma Wa.
> => look it up.
> =>
> => Shalom
> => Mark...
> ==>
>

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